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Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.04.07 13:47:00 - [1] Originally by: Nooblog I find the following comical... Quote: Political Philosophy of The Star Fraction Our philosophy is both straightforward and yet politically complex when compared with the majority of polarised territorial, nationalist and imperial mindsets common to the cluster at the moment: * We do not claim space. That is to say we do not put up a flag and say: "this is our backyard, come here and weÆll set the dogs on you!" I wouldn't expect anything less considering your new landlords are as big of hypocrites as your organization is. You appear to be having trouble understanding what seems to me a most simple and clearly illustrated principle. We will not shoot people for "tresspassing". Space is nobody's "backyard". Are you really confused about this or are you simply trying to make a weak attack on the intentional confusion of motives? True Knowledge
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.04.07 15:35:00 - [2] Originally by: Gemma Naquist Lies. Fly within 100 km of one of their POS and see what happens. Plenty have tried this in Kamela and been surprised to find the POS does not fire on neutrals. -10s of course are blown to smithereens. Your reputation is worthless Gemma Naquist. Do not attempt to claim otherwise. True Knowledge
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.04.07 16:32:00 - [3] Originally by: Nooblog Thanks, I thought my comprehension of the language clearly written, was off. Glad we have you here to be as obfuscatory as possible. Pardon the delay in transmission... Why not just admit that in the five years you've been an alliance and accomplished nothing.... I am very happy with our achievements over the last five years. What have you achieved? True Knowledge
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.04.07 16:53:00 - [4] Originally by: Shakra Matrayus Okay from my understanding, if Star Fraction decides to "Take space" so tp speak, its simply going to be so they have he licensing and the tech systems to run modules they would otherwise not be able to... while they may be the registered "Owners" of an area, they are simply in a mangerial role, and beyond people they would shoot anyways they wouldnt interfere with other pilots right to travel and operate within the space... as far as control towers being set to shoot anyone not friendly, well, thats more of a personal comfort bubble thing, all pilots have one of those in low security systems, paranoia is in our nature. Your understanding is correct in the main Captain Matrayus. We make a distinction between an exclusive claim that denies transit to neutrals and the pure technical "claim" of sovereignty that is required to upgrade deployed systems technology in nullsec. As for our towers, our Kamela / lowsec towers have typically used NRDS rules of engagement and been set to fire upon hostiles only (we have used our towers as mustering points and titan bridge launching for many neutral pilots in the TLF and friendly forces in the area). At this point I see no reason why our nullsec towers should not be similarly configured, they will respond to aggression or fire on -10 hostiles. And of course any system that Star Fraction undertake to improve through investment and residency will be open for neutrals to travel and enjoy the space. And we'll be very happy for our many friends and allies to join us in such developments. True Knowledge
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.04.07 18:01:00 - [5] Originally by: Grr Wow. I normally avoid reading and certainly responding to any of your posts for fear of somehow dirtying myself but morbid curiosity got the better of me this time... As expected five years of not achievements but five years of lies. I don't believe a member of the CVA has any right to accuse any other capsuleer of lying. Your reputation is worthless, go away and hide some more. True Knowledge
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.04.07 19:15:00 - [6] Originally by: Sarius Deteis Ah ha, there it is. Some how those two statements, alongside your alliance mission statement, are traveling in completely different directions. Perhaps only to your deluded mind, slave of the CVA. Quote: After all numerous Free alliances and corporations met with success and prosperity, while helping the overall glory of Providence, without actually claiming sovereignty. If these smaller groups (I was once a member of such a group) can do this then surely an alliance like Star Fraction can do it. You are forgetting the epic spasms of rage of your current executor Aralis who has declared that NRDS is "impossible" in the current mechanisms of sovereignty. CVA dominion of Providence was doubtless possible once upon a time when tower spam was everything but the moment any actual freedom of movement and honest diplomacy between equals was required then Providence fell apart at the seams. CVA was happy as long as it was dominating others and controlling all standings. Now that time has passed and CVA themselves go towards the history books. Quote: I guess what it boils down to is sitting and waiting to see if (A) your next transmission takes us in another direction yet again (B) you make some harsh remark about me and my reputation to improve the probability that people will agree with your point (although you do not know me) I know all I need to know of you pilot Deteis. You are a non amarrian slave of a regressive amarrian supremacist organization. You are worth less than the fleas on the organ-grinder's monkey. And even saying that I think I run the risk of paying you too much credit. True Knowledge
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.04.07 20:23:00 - [7] Originally by: Furb Killer While i disagree, i understand why SF has issues with CVA and would rather see it different. Yet even SF shouldnt be able to deny that CVA lead providence did allow 95% of the people who didnt come to providence for easy kills to operate there, and protect them as well as reasonably could be done. Also they did have docking rights for very reasonable fees, exactly what you said in your post you wanted. Try to understand that from our perspective the very instinct to "protect" the weak by just telling them what standings to adopt and inform who is "good" and who is "bad" is a paternalist controlling instinct that leads inevitably to corruption and tyranny. We consider it is far better for individual pilots to look to their own defense and learn to protect themselves rather than giving up their individual liberty and allowing a stronger centrist power to make all their decisions for them. This aside from the despicable nature of the CVA as a slave-owning imperialist power intent on spreading the regressive mindset of Amarrian holders to the virgin territories of the frontier. It was impossible for men and women of good nature and independent spirit to reach amicable terms with such a power as the CVA. To do so is to surrender everything worth striving for in life. To live as a slave to a stronger power is venal and despicable and a betrayal of the opportunities granted the capsuleer caste in New Eden. Quote: Yet what is the course of action of SF? Work together with the largest nap train of nbsi alliances in the history of capsuleers in eve to remove that, and move it back to a wasteland. Where even if UKs dream would happen and it doesnt just become another rented region, a random capsuleer wouldnt have a chance of surviving and wouldnt have docking rights in the vast majority of the stations, and wouldnt get any support anywhere. I don't see a wasteland, I see new opportunity, fresh ideas, profit and honesty. I see the cloying territory of slave-mongers and imperialists washed clean and restored to an earlier potential. Quote: So please answer me, why help destroying those who did what you preferred for 95% of the capsuleers, by aiding those who are exactly the opposite of what you want? CVA did nothing but breed weaklings and cowards. I have zero sympathy for those who were content to live under the slaver's shadow in providence holding their nose against the stink of imperialist patriarchy and averting their eyes from the extermination and torture camps on the planets below. I have zero respect for those that became our enemies not for any action of our pilots but simply because the Slave Holders of the CVA told them we should be fired at. The new generation of neutral pilots in Providence must take responsibility for their own safety and negotiate diplomatic arrangements in their own name and reputation. The time for worms crawling in the shadow of the slaver lash is passed. Quote: Why if you want freespace, attack those who come at least reasonably close, instead of attacking those who locked down their space for everyone who doesnt have blue standings? CVA is further from the freespace ideal I love than any other entity in space. Their standings enclosurist regime on dictated red-list was ever as controlling as NBSI dogma elsewhere in space, this combined with their mission to spread the corruption of Amarrian Imperialism and willing cultivation of a puling servant class capsuleer incapable of deciding their own politics represented the vilest organization in Eve. True Knowledge
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.04.07 22:28:00 - [8] Originally by: Furb Killer Those points were pretty much all done by CVA (Well not everyone was allowed to put up POS's everywhere, but it also wasnt exactly impossible to get permission). So please stay a bit more realistic, apparently you dont want that. Realism doesn't not make it neccessary to bend your knee to a tyrant and kiss the ring-finger of a self-appointed pontiff. Wake up and stand on your own two feet! Quote: I skipped a bit through what you achieved in your last five year, and i think the easy summary is: nothing at all. What did your summary say? War, destruction, some more war, etc. SF never built anything, you only destroy what others built. You skipped too quickly past the things we build and enduring legend we spread of the true knowledge and dream of free space on the frontier. And you forget so easily that CVA "built" nothing, they stole everything from the labours of others, they enslaved victims to work for them while reclining their fat-behinds on golden thrones. CVA were robbers and thieves, now they are nothing. They are unworthy of your tongue's worship. Quote: However i hoped for a usefull discussion, sadly SF apparently decided that they prefer to spread arround lies, afraid so much for the truth? CVA never told people in providence which standings to use. You lie. We have evidence over many years of them using the citadel channel for precisely this purpose. Silence your flapping gums dog, you become too eagerly the minion of slavers and willing recipient of their corruption and petty evil. Quote: So why is SF NRDS? Shouldtn you be shooting all those neutrals to 'help' them learn to look for their own defenses? I am sure all those neutrals will have much better defenses now they dont have to worry anymore about things like docking rights and people who wont shoot you, called concord. Read and learn about our idealism if you wish to ask questions. Until then you simply serve the CVA cause in absentia. True Knowledge
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.04.08 14:18:00 - [9] Originally by: Rodj Blake Edited by: Rodj Blake on 08/04/2010 13:28:49 Originally by: Sable Schroedinger Clearly not true. 2 NRDS entities shooting each other. One must have shot the other first whilst they were both neutral to each other. Guess who? -7- fired on SF whilst we still had you neutral and had never taken any hostile action against you. So, what you're saying is clearly, again, untrue. Or perhaps -7- had set you red beforehand because of your track record of shooting at their allies? As has been established times beyond counting the initial aggression from Sev3rance against the Star Fraction occured because CVA declared that the Fraction was a "pirate organization" in their combined intel channels and Sev3rance pilots decided to use this "knowledge" as a justification to shoot neutrals. As a result Sev3rance were set red by the Fraction and the rest is now well ... history. This demonstrates several things: the way the CVA operates (operated?) in declaring their political enemies "pirate" to involve 3rd parties in wars that hitherto had nothing to do with them whatsoever. The way Sev3rance entered into hostility with the Fraction not by their own choice but by the urging of their CVA overlords and lastly, that consequence and payback is alive and well in New Eden. At the last nobody but a fool can stand up and claim now that the CVA standings enclosurist regime has not been fully revealed and discredited as a basis for nullsec settlement and enrichment. Capsuleers need to grasp the new opportunities of the frontier and make their own decisions on individual and merit and mutual advantage. Simply doing everything that "Father CVA" tells you will lead only to destruction and dissolution. True Knowledge
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.04.08 14:49:00 - [10] Originally by: Rodj Blake Edited by: Rodj Blake on 08/04/2010 14:29:10 Originally by: Tekumze Wolf If we have shot -7- allies it is because they have shot us first. That means -7- started shooting us(set us red) because we fought back against their allies. How delusional one needs to be to expect people to not defend themselves for the sole purpose of not getting shot from your enemies allies as well? I imagine that the allies in question would probably have been the CVA. That particular conflict goes back a very long time, to before SF even existed. Allow me to give you a history lesson... Way back in YC105, Jade Constantine started working with notorious Minmatar terrorists Oracle. Shortly after that, Jericho Fraction declared war on First Praetorian Guard in support of their friends in Oracle and extended that war to PIE when they merged with 1PG. Your links are accurate but entirely irrelevant to the discussion. Sev3rance fired upon the Star Fraction when they were flagged neutral. They did so because the CVA lied to them in the description of SF as a "pirate organization". As a result Sev3rance became an enemy of the free captains and would ultimately pay the price for this choice. As for the hostility between SF and CVA well, that also is a matter for public record. First incidence of hostility occured over the Mamet500 issue. When the Star Fraction made a political decision to go to war with the slavers of the CVA in the attempt to release 500 individuals from such imprisonment to offend our eyes. Political settings lapsed a time during the transition from SF1 to SF2 but it is fair to say that the CVA have always been a political enemy of the Fraction and the sentiment returned. The reality discussed in this thread however is that Sev3rance changed from being an "anti pirate" organization into a "pro-slavery" organization in the eyes of the Fraction the moment they fired on SF pilots in defense of the status quo in Providence. Same moment they earned their -10 status that would endure to their ultimate defeat. True Knowledge
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.04.08 15:21:00 - [11] Originally by: Sarius Deteis -7- is still alive, kicking, and killing members of your backwards, flip-flopping, un-sure of its actual intentions alliance. I think you should probably take a moment to examine the battles of dital, Kamela, space and freedom IV and the combined combat database results in fighting between Star Fraction and Sev3rance. On every scale of comparison they were defeated by us in direct conflict. Don't take my word for it, have a look at the statistics that the likes of Snakester used to enjoy quoting for us before they turned quite so grim. True Knowledge
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.04.08 17:57:00 - [12] Originally by: Snakester Miss Jade, you might wanna get your fact's straight. Infact Dreamy fired upon Bach due to the fact bach had fired upon and destroyed a CVA vessel in the Sukanan constellation. CVA is and always will be a friend to Sev3rance, hence our pilot helped then as any of our pilots would of and infact will still help.I am quite sorry our NRDS ROE differ so much from your own "pure" NRDS ROE. The main difference is ours allows us to help our friends against there enemys where yours don't. If you are saying that your red list was always identical to the CVA's it is no surprise we came to conflict. You were a frontline meatshield for regressive slavers and nobody weeps for your passing. True Knowledge
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.04.08 18:16:00 - [13] Originally by: GanSho If you really believe we are "defeated" then you're in for quite some surprises ;) Then there is nothing left to say but "show me, don't tell me." True Knowledge
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.04.09 14:05:00 - [14] Originally by: Sarius Deteis Jade, you commented on the first half of what was said, but conveniently neglected to comment on the second half. Care to do so now for clarification? The latter part of your earlier commentary was worthless. If you wish to bring something to the table of discussion then do so but desperate attempts to speak for "the rest of new eden cluster" just like you look foolish. True Knowledge
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.04.09 14:14:00 - [15] Originally by: Grr This would be identical to the system as it is run now. How quickly and conveniently you forget the CVA's "mission" to spread imperialist ideology and the mechanisms of state-sponsered slavery to the frontier when it is convenient for you. On the planets below you have run one of the largest concentration camps in history and ensured that the "wealth" of the capsuleers in Providence was built on the backs of suffering baseline humans treated like animals in your work camps but here when a new generation of settlers and liberators are finally succeeding in driving out your organisation you prefer to forget all the business about "slavery" and talk about the technical aspects of NRDS administration of the capsuleer elite. Quote: Animosity aside I am pleased that there is a possibility that U'K is willing to change and help make a place that neutrals can continue to come and go in relative peace. Even the hypocritical Star Fraction promising such things is pleasing to see on many levels as I absolutely love the neutrals of Providence and am sad to see them suffer because of our conflict. You still haven't grasped the difference between the dogmatic top-down dominance of standings ideology forced on neutrals through the citadel channel and a genuinely open system where individuals, corporations and alliances negotiate their own standings based on independent assessment of worth, interaction and potential business profits. In CVA providence the "neutrals" were forced to give up their "neutrality" or be excluded by intel channels and denied settlement rights and status in your polity. You told lies about neutral entities, named all your enemies "pirates" and did everything in your power to ensure that those lonely ratters and industrialists became meatshields to your imperial ambitions. Claiming that a Providence enslaved to the Amarrian yoke deriving all standings from the Aralis red list is identical to a Providence seething with liberation and freedom on the worlds below and true independence of standings under the stars is a nonsense only utterable by the most bone-headed of zealots. True Knowledge
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.04.09 14:47:00 - [16] Originally by: Sarius Deteis Before you trash what I just stated, perhaps you should read the quote that was directly above what was stated. The quote was from another pilot and was directed at you and perhaps you just overlooked it or not. I was drawing attention to this fact because it is not polite to ignore someone who is giving you the option to fully explain yourself and your alliances actions. Neither is it "polite" to meaninglessly repeat the same lies and justifications in mind-numbingly boring "debate" with no possibility of movement or understanding. In this thread we are seeing Sev3rance making justifications for supporting an indefencible regime in Providence and CVA scions attempting to pass up their exports of Amarrian nationalist regression and mistreatment of planetary populations as somehow beneficial to the interests of immortal capsuleers profiting from the misery of billions of baseline subjects. Yet the slavers are in retreat and defeat and the liberators in the ascendent, in Providence planetary populations are knowing the light of freedom for the first time in years. So do not lecture me about not bending my eye to examine every last element of trash your ex-comrades discard on the ground as they retreat to other camps and fronts elsewhere in space. Questions have been asked and answered in this thread, there is absolutely no need nor requirement to consider the ludicrious flights of insanity uttered by ex-slavers in any meaningful light whatsoever. True Knowledge
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.04.09 15:17:00 - [17] Originally by: Sarius Deteis Big words jumbled together to once again completely dodge the question at hand. You asked one question (albeit a question cloaked in false-assumptions, outright lies and general CVA-grade misdirection). That question was answered and you were directed to seek the supporting evidence of 3rd party combat database records if you doubted the veracity of the answer you received. Hell, you could probably look outside the windows of the viewing deck of that Guardian if you ever left the docking bays of Misaba. Quote: As for this pilot however, I do not speak for the New Eden Cluster, nor do I speak for my Alliance or Allies when I state that this question will probably never be answered in a logical way (or answered at all possibly), and this channel of communication is now defunct and moot. Your question was answered. That you do not like the answer is no great surprise because it does no credit to your political choices or affiliations in the new eden star cluster. True Knowledge
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.04.10 20:10:00 - [18] Edited by: Jade Constantine on 10/04/2010 20:12:26 Originally by: Archbishop In the end Providence will be a worse place to live. It will be considerably worse for slavers and regressive imperialist dogs yes. I suspect it'll be a much harder place for bone-idle Amarrian aristocrats unwilling to shift their buttocks from gilded cushions without the intervention of oiled-slaves lifting rolls of flabby palid skin from one place to the other either. Quote: - Where there was once relative safety and security now there will be roving pirate gangs slaughtering the innocent. - Where there was once a place for new capsule pilots to go and learn the ropes of 0.0 space now there is just another killing ground added to the many already out there. - Where there was once a place for industrialists to go and make their fortune in relative safety now there will be death and destruction. - Where there was once a flourshing economy and infrastructure now there will be depression, recession, lack of goods and shortages of vital commodities. You are very keen on the phrase "relatively safety" - relatively safe at the cost of turning a blind eye to the activities of an imperialist ruling aristocracy built on the slave-labour of the imprisoned populace on the worlds below. You turned "neutrals" into collaborators and seduced them into serving the CVA with promise of wealth and "safety" that would cost them nothing more than their independence and free-association with other pilots (and the trifling matter of buying into the nationalist myth of Amarrian supremacy in all ways and means). Quote: This is the Star Fraction legacy. Same legacy as Mito and everywhere else they've operated. Same grand statements about "freeing people" and demanding people "stand on their own two feet" while at the same time hypocriticaly supporting people in the fight (obviuosly not asking them to stand on their own?). These are the Star Fraction legacy we've seen over and over again all these years. You understand nothing of the Star Fraction Archbishop because you are intellectually-incapable of imagining a world beyond your god-trash justification for conquest and imperialism. You rage (impotently) against those who have defeated you time and time again because you do not understand why god would allow such things to happen to a "godly" man. Then I have to tell you that your god doesn't exist, and if he did he'd be looking at your deeds with disgust and derision. Long gone is the military strength that led your people to enslave their neighbours, replaced by nothing more than puling excuses and incessant whining at what you perceive to be the unfair vicissitudes of fate. Quote: Oh I'm sure we'll have the usual denials, flowery speechs about "freedom" and endless words extoling the "defeat of the slavers". In the end though it's the innocent people who pay the price for the cause of anarchy. There are no innocents in the space of Providence. There were neutrals. But they were not innocent. A capsule pilot is many things but "innocent" is not in the job description. It is time for people to stop running for the pathetic comfort of monotheist mythology and realize they will be expected to account for their own actions and face consequences for their choices. The "innocents" were the prisons enslaved in the camps and plantations of the worlds below. They are acknowledging their freedom now and they are learning to hate you with every word you speak Archbishop. Quote: The slavers will recover, will regain their fortunes, will live on for years to come, it's the innocent who lived in Providence who now are the victims. You speak almost like you are not one of these slavers. Are you pretending now to be something else? True Knowledge
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.04.10 21:11:00 - [19] Originally by: Archbishop As I said we shall see in a year. Cosmo says Providence is in 'transition' so I'll give it some time to settle down. In one year we will see if Providence is truly a better place for neutral pilots or a worse place. I notice you avoided all mention of the billions enslaved on the worlds of providence under the former regime in your response. You seem to be almost embarrassed about mention of "slavery" these days, any particular reason for that? True Knowledge
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.04.10 21:22:00 - [20] Originally by: Archbishop Well if you can present evidence of those billions of slaves in Providence... So you are now denying that the CVA ever promoted slavery in Providence now then? Interesting. True Knowledge
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.04.10 22:18:00 - [21] Originally by: Archbishop Sure Amarrians support slavery but we're not all the boogeyman. Do you acknowledge that the billions of slaves utilized as agricultural and basic labour on the hundreds of worlds of Providence are better served as free individuals than as the mere human cattle your allies in the CVA saw them as? True Knowledge
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.04.11 00:52:00 - [22] Originally by: Archbishop I do know one thing that won't be happening in a year though. You won't see me dating a Minmatar freedom fighter ... Something tells me we won't see you dating ... well, anybody really. Must get lonely under that hood True Knowledge
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.04.11 13:32:00 - [23] Originally by: Muck Raker This development will surely provide a whole lot of exciting news stories! -10 for firing on Star Fraction is/was one of their procedures How will this handle in nullsec when faced with incidents such as this or this? Prediction is that diplomats will be busy! Breaking news in 0.0 ... don't warp to unexplored moons in non-cloaking vessels. I guess we're lucky we don't post losses to factional baseline pirate groups either or this could lead to much scandal on the IGS! But to answer your question. At this time we don't (and have never yet) considered the generally autonomous defense systems of a corporate-flagged tower to be indicative of formal attack on the Star Fraction leading to setting of negative standings. This is a hazard of life in lowsec and nullsec and when losses such as these happen we pick ourselves up, dust ourselves down and just get on with the business of freespace revolution on the frontier. True Knowledge
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.04.11 14:24:00 - [24] Originally by: D melanogaster [ Does that mean that when someone sets up towers in your system and configure them to shoot you, you will not be all butthurt? I am sure that the best case for neutral pilots that set up in your system will be a loss to your allies after you tip them off. Don't you have anything better to do? I mean really. True Knowledge
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.04.11 15:43:00 - [25] Originally by: Snakester With that being said, if someone, say a neutral alliance dropped SBU's and then attacked your ihub and tcu without actually shooting your ships, theres absolutly nothing SF could do about it, according to there ROE , is this when u will call in your NBSI friends to help you?. There is zero cause for confusion. We consider an attack on our equipment in space (like a tower, or an ihub etc, an attack on SF assets and would set the attacker -10 accordingly). You should leave aside interpretation of our ROE since you clearly understand precisely nothing of the ideology that underpins it. True Knowledge
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.04.11 16:11:00 - [26] Originally by: D melanogaster The issue people have is that your ideology is so full of loopholes and open for interpretation that you might as well be NBSI. I question your use of the word "people" in this instance. Plenty of unattributed posting proxies, bitter former war-enemies and general cva-bloc slavers seem incapable of understanding extremely simple and to the point rules of engagement yes, but "people?" I don't think so. In general "people" understand exactly where the Star Fraction stands and how to interact with our ROE and freespace ideology. That is why we find it very easy to do diplomacy in space where it matters and you are employing a posting proxy on the IGS to hide your own identity. All rather straightforward when you view it in that light yes? True Knowledge
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.04.11 16:15:00 - [27] Edited by: Jade Constantine on 11/04/2010 16:16:01 Originally by: Snakester Yep as i thought, u change your roe to suit the situation, with that being said ive worked out the best way to defeat SF is not by killing there ships or anything ingame, the best way is to ignore anything written by you or any sf member because your all attention ***s who twist everthing written u don't agree with against the writer. Though you seem to have "worked out" that particular strategy you are not very good at employing it are you? Suffice to say I encourage you to ignore all SF related posts in the future by all means. Its not like you bring very much value to the table of debate anyhow. Please take a ticket and join the list of defeated foes of the Star Fraction and take your turn posting bitterness on our sixth year anniversary thread (probably just after Archbishop posts) Originally by:** Snakester I'll start it by saying here, i wont be replying or quoting to any post/topic by a SF member cos its just not worth it. Just quoting this for amusement value. Don't let the IGS door hit you on the way out Snakester, you won't be missed. True Knowledge
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.04.19 23:18:00 - [28] Originally by: Archbishop In the past we've asked them "who will maintain the gates, who will maintain the stations" in their "no government" utopia. They seem to indicate the free market and "the people" will. The reality is thats unworkable and the infrastructure that they're now tied to requires some exercise of control. You have asked ridiculous questions. We have answered "it will work." It is beginning to work now. YWSO is open free space, its not safe, its not policed, but it is free. Your Amarrian Nationalist blinkers allow you to think only in terms of who you must kneel to (God, the holders, Aralis, whichever gate-campers you fear) - the reality is that there is no need to kneel. Simply stand up and fight and ditch the primitive superstitions and tenents of the faith long rendered meaningless by cultural development in new eden. True Knowledge
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.04.20 06:12:00 - [29] Edited by: Jade Constantine on 20/04/2010 06:12:51 Originally by: D melanogaster Originally by: Fridarey I see you have learned from the Star Fraction propaganda masters that when you are confronted with logical arguments ... I think you need to face facts and realize that some of us don't believe that false flag propaganda mouthpieces can make logical arguments. The essential cowardice involved in hiding your true identity means you are implicitly dishonest and any of your arguments are extremely dubious. That is the downside of cloaking your identity. I wish more would find the courage to stand up and be counted with their true colours rather than hiding through fear of consequence. The IGS would be a far better place without so many false personnas peddling the vitreol of their gutless masters. True Knowledge
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.04.20 14:39:00 - [30] Originally by: D melanogaster I see that you again went with option A. If you would care to read the whole thing, It is clear that I believe my argument to be illogical. It is just the same ill logic that you and your lackeys use every day. So you are a cloaked "mouthpiece" making false arguments to illustrate a point. Should I then employ a cloaked "mouthpiece" myself to refute your existence in similar self-referentiality or would that be slipping too far into the ridiculous? Pointless, just like your existence. Quote: As an added note, the identities of the "mouthpieces" who post on here are really not important. When well known pod pilots post about you you simply default to spitting on their face and refusing to actually answer their questions. It is pretty frustrating for those who want answers from you. Their cowardice is quite relevant though, and I imagine while it is frustrating for me to call them to action in space when they are quite incapable of such that is the way of the universe. We have gotten used to most of our enemies being toothless blusterers incapable of backing up their Galnet froth with starships monsieur nom de plume and that too is on occasion quite frustrating. But no honest question is ever unanswered by the Star Fraction. Anyone who claims otherwise is a liar and most likely a agent of the Amarrian bloc. True Knowledge
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2010.04.24 17:21:00 - [31] And yet when I say to "mouthpieces" (like the op) that their arguments are invalid because they are no more than mouthpieces for a cloaked other too cowardly to show their own face then somehow I'm accused by Amarrians for disrespecting the "rules of debate". Very well. I am an anarchist after all. I happily set fire to the Amarrian rules of debate and burn them to the ground. I say plainly. Your opinion is meaningless to me unless you speak it in your own name. I respect only courage and accomplishment in one's own name. I have nothing but derision for cowards and mewling galnet imposters squealing out the wheedling complaints of nobodies. True Knowledge

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